==Phrack Inc.== Volume One, Issue Five, Phile #12 of 12 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ///\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\\ Metal Shop PRIVATE\\\ Phrack World News Issue 4 Part 3 ///_ _ _______ Metal Shop AE \\\ ///| \/ | / _____/ Metal Shop Brewery \\\ Compiled by /// |_||_|etal/ /hop \\\ /// _________/ / Present PWN IV \\\///\\ Knight Lightning //\\\/// /__________/ -------------- \-^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^-/ Triad _______________________________________________________________________________ Demise of Phreakdom in Florida: The Story of Teltec Interview with Surfer Bill by The Firelord Written by Knight Lightning =============================================================================== Firelord (FL): Bill, I wanted to ask you some stuff on that bust you were telling me about. Surfer Bill (SB): Yeah, whatta ya want to know? FL: Who the hell got busted? SB: Well, you wanna know who knows a hell of a lot more than me is Jack Flack. He has the subpoena, it's about 40 pages, it lists every single one of their names, and all the charges word for word, it's incredible. FL: Jack Flack isn't accepting phone calls, it's probably not a very good idea. SB: Teltec is based in Miami, they got really pissed off that everyone was abusing their services. I mean using their codes and things like that. These people aren't stupid. I mean they know if you've got a sequential hacker on. They know because what happens is that their computer registers every single bad code. So If they see 20000, 20001, 20002, and keeps on going registering as bad codes and all of the sudden 20011 doesn't register, but 20012 does then they know that 20011 is a good code. What they will do is monitor this code and watch it for abnormal usage. They will be sitting there saying, 'Hey this code has been getting a lot of use in the past few days.' Then they will put a tracer on, trace the person, tap the line, and start amassing information about the line owner. It is like putting a noose around your own neck! Basically what I heard is happening down here is that, I believe, there are five bulletin board systems in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale/Boca Raton area that they are after. Caeser's Palace (Sysoped by Caeser D, Whose real name is John Kessler) Parasec (Sysoped by Mark Barochich {sic}) COPS Apple Tree, not Apple Tree I or Apple-Tree II, it was the Apple Tree Phreak BBS, that one everyone now knows as the Catfur. And Plovernet (305). FL: Didn't you say that Teltec planted agents on all these boards? SB: Yeah, that's what I was getting to. I don't know for a fact or anything but, what I hear is that Teltec employees posed as undercover hackers or phreakers and got on to the above listed boards. They had handles and infiltrated the system, having everyone believe that they were phreakers. Cause what they did was, well obviously they knew what they were talking about after all they worked for the company. They posted really educated information. From there I believe they actually posted some Teltec codes. There again, some of this is rumor, some of this is fact, I really couldn't tell you which was which. FL: Well who all was busted? SB: Jack Flack, Caeser D (John Kessler), Demetrius Cross, Dave Peters, several others of course. One whole family got busted, the father, the son, and the daughter. There is a list of thirty-eight people, their actual names were published in the Miami Review, which is a lawyer newspaper that goes to all the lawyers and judges in the Miami area. Another interesting thing is that the list mentioned a John Doe and a Jane Doe. There was a clause that said these two people are to be named at a later date, so who knows who that could be or even it was more than one person. FL: You say Lex Luthor escaped? SB: Yes he did. FL: They were gonna snag him, but he escaped to California. SB: I don't know exactly if they had him or whether they were gonna bust him or not but I know he was not mentioned. FL: Maybe he was one of the John or Jane Doe people. SB: Most of the stuff that I know is basically public information so I don't know anything about that John and Jane Doe stuff. SB: An important point is that the Teltec agents posted some codes and then monitored those codes. I believe they cannot bust you for using those numbers because that's a form of entrapment. Instead what they'll do is monitor the calls, trace the calls, and then they will know who they are dealing with. FL: They'll hook up a dialed number recorder (DNR) on the line. SB: Well what this whole deal is doing is sorta pointing a finger of blame. Both people are wrong, Teltec is wrong in using entrapment to try and catch you, and you are wrong for using their codes to phreak. So what they do is keep an eye on you. So then they say "ah ha" this guy, John Doe over here is using this code. We know he has been abusing our system and now we are gonna keep an eye on him. So when this code goes dead, we're gonna watch and see if he uses any different ones and if he does, we'll bust him. The main thing that's gonna come out of this court case is that they are gonna go after the the 5 people that were the system operators of the bbses. They're not really after the average user, what I think is happening is that the average users are going to be used as witnesses against the system operators. The scary part about this case is that it is really pretty big because, it may set a precedent. If the judge rules in favor of Teltec and then Teltec presses charges, the subpoena says that there is a minimal of $5000 damage, and that's what they're seeking. So its gotta be well over $5000 damages. I tell you one thing, from the amount of money and information Teltec has put into this they are really determined to press charges. They invested a lot of money as far as lawyers and investigators. Another scary part of this story is that Teltec has not made the evidence that they have against the thirty-eight people public, as far as I know, and that's what everyone is afraid of. The average user doesn't know what he is up against. FL: I bet the majority of the people on those boards are scared shitless now. SB: Oh yeah, everybody is, its like the whole city of Miami is. Also I hear that Sprint and MCI will be cracking down in the future. They are most likely waiting to see how this case goes. FL: Is Teltec the major service down there that everybody uses? SB: Not really, it's one of many. The popular one these days is MCI cause it only has those 5 digit codes. FL: I heard Teltec gave shitty connections. SB: Yeah, that's funny because, I was talking to Jack Flack, and I said if you wanna crack up the people in the courtroom and you know that they are definitely gonna bust you, and that you're guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, make a joke if they ask you what you know about Teltec say, "Alls I know about Teltec is that their connections to California are really shitty!" I don't know if they'd be too happy about hearing that one! FL: So they are really gonna take care of this aren't they? SB: Yeah but Teltec's main goal is to really get the system operators. You should read this subpoena here, it talks about the system operators. It says that the sysops "organized, financed, directed, and oversaw the illicit posting and trading of Teltec codes" "They failed to delete the messages containing illegal information." You see so the sysops are guilty cause they didn't delete the messages. FL: The thing that could've solved all this is if people used random hackers and random destination numbers, like MegaPhreak. SB: Another point is that even though you may be using a random hacker, most people aren't gonna be using the system at 3 a.m. to 4 a.m. The best time to scan is during normal business hours. FL: That's true, after all you don't need 10,000 codes. SB: Well anyway, I think that they are really after the system operators. And if Teltec wins this case it will set a precedent. If all that happens then I expect that we are gonna see a lot more of these cases popping up all around the country. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Editor's notes: There is some talk about there actually being 6 boards being busted and not just 5. Also the reference that Lex Luthor had any involvement or close calls with Teltec is only rumor. Other reports from 305ers who wish to remain un-named state that MCI has indeed stepped up its war on phreakers and hackers. Sysops, I really hope you watch who you let on. Remember, a filter or fee for a bbs can easily be handled by agents or investigators. The best way to check on people is through references. TWCB was also online during this interview, but as they gave little or no input to the actual content of this file all remarks from TWCB have been screened as they were worthless. The original interview was done on a conference and recorded on cassette tape which was delivered to me. After which I wrote this file. This file was given permission to be printed in Phrack World News by The Firelord of 307 NPA. - Knight Lightning _______________________________________________________________________________ Telephone Testimony March 1986 ------------------- Chairman Bill McGowan made a point to the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications. In testimony before the recently reconvened hearings on telephone industry competition, McGowan spoke against the "diversification frenzy" of the Bell Operating Companies (BOCs). He told the congressional subcommittee that the industry is still in the transition to full competition and cautioned against replacing a regulated monopoly with seven unregulated ones. Information taken out of MCI World, March 1986 Issue _______________________________________________________________________________ Kaptain Krash Busted -------------------- Kaptain Krash was caught stealing American Telephone & Telegraph's (AT&T) Teleconferencing time through an 800 PBX posted on P-80. He has been isolated from other members of the underground by his parents. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note from Forest Ranger: - LET THIS BE A LESSON TO THOSE WHO USE 800 PBX'S. 800 PBX'S ARE LIKE MAKING COLLECT CALLS AS TO WHERE YOUR NUMBER IS AUTOMATICALLY KNOWN. SO IT IS VERY EASY TO TRACE BACK TO YOU WHILE ON THE CONFERENCE OR A LATER CHECK WILL INDICATE THE SAME FINDINGS. Information Provided By F.R. Communications Newsline Service (c) 1986 _______________________________________________________________________________ Metal Shop Private Cleans House ------------------------------- On April 13, 1986, Taran King and Knight Lightning repurged the userlog deleting over 100 users from Metal Shop Private. This was mainly because of non-callers clogging up the log and to make sure there would be no extra accounts to lessen the security of the bbs. People wishing to become members of Metal Shop Private, should contact Taran King or Knight Lightning via email. They then would be discussed with the Metal Shop Staff etc. _______________________________________________________________________________ Dan Pasquale Seeks New Entertainment ------------------------------------ This message is mainly for bbs sysops. Have you been receiving more calls from people in the 415 NPA? In conversation with Dan Pasquale (See Phoenix Phortress Article in PWN III) High Evolutionary was told that Dan plans to try his hand at out of state bbses..."for fun." Let it be remembered that Dan Pasquale ran Phoenix Phortress BBS and as such saw posts for other phreak and hack bbses. Furthermore, as a bad habit, several bbsers seem to use the same passwords in more than one place. Therefore it is a possibility that Dan could log on to bbses as someone else. "The Radio Station Incident" Oryan Quest had asked Broadway Hacker to remove him from the userlog for RS's own security. However BH decided not to do it at that time. Roughly a week later, someone using Oryan Quest's password logged onto the Radio Station BBS. This person was completely computer illiterate. Example: He typed "HELP" instead of "?" for a menu. When Broadway Hacker broke onto chat mode this Oryan Quest dropped carrier. Please note: Although the police had to drop charges on Oryan Quest because of an illegal search this does not mean that the police couldn't have found his passwords. Broadway also mentioned a rash of new users applying from 415 NPA. Sysops beware. Some Information Provided By Broadway Hacker/High Evolutionary/Oryan Quest _______________________________________________________________________________ Maxfield Speaks --------------- In a Detroit newspaper, John Maxfield was interviewed by a reporter. Although I do not have the article or all the facts pertaining to it, it is known that the names mentioned include: Phantom Phreaker, High Evolutionary, Scan Man, Music Major, The Bootleg, and Slave Driver. It is believed that Maxfield had acquired these names from P-80. However this is pure speculation. Information Provided By Various Sources _______________________________________________________________________________